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2011-10-18 01:30:18 UTC
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It's really odd when you watch these movies as they're supposed to be
the same series of films..the same franchise yet I don't know of any
series of movies change as much as these do between each film.
Batman Returns has a little bit of the 1989 original's atmosphere but
almost everything else is different...Gotham City looks nothing like
it did in Batman! Then a new director comes along and again its
completely different...new Gotham...new atmosphere...new score! Yet
it's supposed to be the same franchise...
It's just funny watching the 1st film in the series compared to the
last...compare them to Spider-Man or Superman, where the 1st and last
films are still of a similar theme.
So I'm just curious has any other film franchise changed so
drastically in between movies?
From what I understand based on interviews by Joel Schumacher, his
films were intended to be a reboot, but they didn't want to put people
off who were attached to the old films. Their solution was to keep
Alfred (Michael Gough) and Gordon (Pat Hingle), and drop a subtle line
about Catwoman in Forever. Outside of that, it's all a new universe.
Gotham looks completely different, the theme music is different, the
killer of Batman's parents is referenced as being an unknown and
faceless individual, Harvey Dent is white, etc.
So you see, they're not really connected. Warner Bros. was just very
coy about the fact that they'd rebooted the Batman franchise. They got
away with it, too. People still consider them sequels, and Batman
Forever made more money than Returns.
I think that's due to the fact the Batman has so many different ways
to interpret the franchise. You can go down the campy road with stuff
like the '60s version or Brave and the Bold or go down the Miller road
which Burton's and Nolan's universe does.
Not sure you can go too dark with someone like Spider-man or Superman
unless it's something like Death of Superman. Certainly these new
reboots of the franchises are going to attempt that.
I never liked that Burton changed designers between the 1st two
movies. Anton Furst's Gotham was pretty remarkable and thus epic - Bo
Welch (Burton's designer on EDWARD SCISSORHANDS and BEETLEJUICE)
delivered a more Burtonesque look to a darker and creepier story.
The latter 2 movies were.......jarring enough to not bug me as much,
honestly. Even seeing Burton's name as a producer wasn't enough to
make me realize REAL QUICK that Schumacher was gonna do something much
different.
And boy, did he ever. O_o
It's really odd when you watch these movies as they're supposed to be
the same series of films..the same franchise yet I don't know of any
series of movies change as much as these do between each film.
Batman Returns has a little bit of the 1989 original's atmosphere but
almost everything else is different...Gotham City looks nothing like
it did in Batman! Then a new director comes along and again its
completely different...new Gotham...new atmosphere...new score! Yet
it's supposed to be the same franchise...
It's just funny watching the 1st film in the series compared to the
last...compare them to Spider-Man or Superman, where the 1st and last
films are still of a similar theme.
So I'm just curious has any other film franchise changed so
drastically in between movies?
From what I understand based on interviews by Joel Schumacher, his
films were intended to be a reboot, but they didn't want to put people
off who were attached to the old films. Their solution was to keep
Alfred (Michael Gough) and Gordon (Pat Hingle), and drop a subtle line
about Catwoman in Forever. Outside of that, it's all a new universe.
Gotham looks completely different, the theme music is different, the
killer of Batman's parents is referenced as being an unknown and
faceless individual, Harvey Dent is white, etc.
So you see, they're not really connected. Warner Bros. was just very
coy about the fact that they'd rebooted the Batman franchise. They got
away with it, too. People still consider them sequels, and Batman
Forever made more money than Returns.
I think that's due to the fact the Batman has so many different ways
to interpret the franchise. You can go down the campy road with stuff
like the '60s version or Brave and the Bold or go down the Miller road
which Burton's and Nolan's universe does.
Not sure you can go too dark with someone like Spider-man or Superman
unless it's something like Death of Superman. Certainly these new
reboots of the franchises are going to attempt that.
I never liked that Burton changed designers between the 1st two
movies. Anton Furst's Gotham was pretty remarkable and thus epic - Bo
Welch (Burton's designer on EDWARD SCISSORHANDS and BEETLEJUICE)
delivered a more Burtonesque look to a darker and creepier story.
The latter 2 movies were.......jarring enough to not bug me as much,
honestly. Even seeing Burton's name as a producer wasn't enough to
make me realize REAL QUICK that Schumacher was gonna do something much
different.
And boy, did he ever. O_o